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Title: [painting contest]comment
Post by: fatherguz on December 12, 2005, 08:07:18 PM
:shock:  hey! some of the paintings here are not worst, some of them was done by profesionals, how come that youre calling it bad painting contes? may i ask what is the criteria for judjing? tnx
Title: Comment
Post by: Ravenwing on December 13, 2005, 02:27:51 AM
fatherguz,

I agree!!  Some of these look really good! Others, however, look like 5 minute attempts.

I would also like to know what the paintings will be judged on - - for instance (NO OFFENSE INTENDED), can one really compare 'Untitled by John Hope-Hawkins' with 'Behind the eye by Presley Stein'.............

Another question is whether one is limited to one entry only, or can one enter more than one painting?

Why don't you submit something too?
Title: Re: comment
Post by: Mikhail Simkin on December 14, 2005, 10:25:19 PM
Quote from: "fatherguz"
:shock:  hey! some of the paintings here are not worst, some of them was done by profesionals, how come that youre calling it bad painting contes? may i ask what is the criteria for judjing? tnx

All of the paintings were submitted to the contest by the artists. Apparently, they considered them bad.  

Quote from: "Ravenwing"

Another question is whether one is limited to one entry only, or can one enter more than one painting?

Yes, you can send another painting.
Title: gosh
Post by: odd dolls on December 16, 2005, 01:24:54 PM
Some of the "bad" art really isn't "bad" by my definition of "bad".  Others are, and they are all so fun to look at.  

Then there are three definitions of "bad" that I can think of.  There is bad, as in bad technique or bad materials, like the paper bag Welcome Sign has both bad technique and bad materials.

Then there is bad as in gross or offensive, like "Crappy".  His composition is good, his colors are great, but the subject matter is "bad."  LOL

Then there is bad as in one big bad mama, like a woman dressed in motorcycle leathers and big boots.  That would be the dragon lady one, forgot the name of it.

What fun to be able to laugh at oneself.  That's why I like this contest.

Janet
Title: Re: gosh
Post by: Mikhail Simkin on December 16, 2005, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: "odd dolls"
There is bad, as in bad technique or bad materials, like the paper bag Welcome Sign has both bad technique and bad materials.

Note that the main idea, that the people are friendly, is perfectley expreessed by the painting on the bag. This raises a question: perhaps expressionism and impressionism so valued in modern art are not difficult to master?
Title: Question
Post by: Nanny Goat Fish on December 18, 2005, 03:02:09 PM
I didn't find any rules for this contest, which actually makes it more fun, IMHO.

But I'm wondering, do you mind if I post my picture on ebay?  I have listed it already, but it won't go up for auction until Tuesday.  I have installed a link to the entries as well.

Just thought I'd better let you know.  If you object, I can either take the listing down before it appears, or I can remove the link, or whatever.  But a link might attract more lookers, thus more entries.

Love this!

Janet
Title: [painting contest]comment
Post by: Mikhail Simkin on December 18, 2005, 07:43:01 PM
Quote from: "Nanny Goat Fish"
But I'm wondering, do you mind if I post my picture on ebay?  I have listed it already, but it won't go up for auction until Tuesday.  I have installed a link to the entries as well.


Great idea! You might try to sell this one too:

(http://reverent.org/Images/Films/fellow_drippers.jpg)
Title: LOL
Post by: Nanny Goat Fish on December 18, 2005, 08:07:56 PM
GAK!   :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Janet
Title: here's the link
Post by: Nanny Goat Fish on December 22, 2005, 07:29:08 PM
Here's the URL to the auction.  As you'll notice, I'm shamelessly campaigning to win.  Or, LOSE.

http://tinyurl.com/7uzdp

Nanny Goat
Title: [painting contest]comment
Post by: Mikhail Simkin on December 23, 2005, 04:56:57 PM
After the end of the contest I can include the links to eBay auctions from the contest webpage.
Title: criterion
Post by: tjd on January 01, 2006, 08:22:24 AM
my criteria for how bad a painting is has three dimentions:  1) how uninteresting it is.  2) how cliché it is.  3) how much the critics like it.

note: real men don't use emoticons.
Title: thank goodness I'm not a man!
Post by: Nanny Goat Fish on January 01, 2006, 12:10:29 PM
LOL, I can use emoticons with impunity, due to being female.

I get your first two criteria.  But could you 'splain the third a bit?  I *think* I know what you are saying, but perception is everything ya know.  I could be wrong!

some of those pictures are interesting.  I figure if a picture makes me feel something, then by my definition it is "good."  Even if it repels me.  Nothing in the contest so far repels me.  Cliche' with a twist is cool to me.  HOwever, if it's with a twist, it's no longer cliche', huh?

Hey, I'm babbling.  You must forgive me, I'm old.   :wink:

Nanny Goat
Title: Bad is good.
Post by: Anatoli Melechko on January 01, 2006, 08:36:50 PM
Obvioulsy the judgment is in the eye of the beholder. Impressionist's works were judged bad at some point. Not that I want to be compared... :wink:  I think that chellenging public's taste is old news.

If you want to see photos voted bad, check out photosig.com site. http://www.photosig.com/go/photos?sort=rating-a
Choose "show lowest rated first" or "most controversial first".

Beware that 70% of what will be displayed is PORN. It will not display until you agree to see the content with any advisory rating.

Obviously, in this case the judment is just whether porn is bad or good so it's kind of irrelevant. So porn aside, the rest are just bad photos. Well, I guess while rumbling here I formulated  one bad art criterion. Challenge to the public's taste.

If you are an artist, you know many more criteria. Crappy composition, dirt for color and many more.

Anatoli (http://www.freescience.org/art.htm)
Title: Bad paintings
Post by: prustage on January 28, 2006, 01:07:03 PM
I suppose one of the simplest ways of assessing whether a painting is bad or not is whether it succeeds in being what it is trying to be. Many of the pictures in this group are quite successful at being exactly what they are - there are a few however that are clearly trying to be something and failing.

"Face your Demons" is one of these. It is clear what the artist would like this picture to be  - there are plenty of examples of this genre of fantasy artwork around. Unfortunately, this example is clearly not successful. In fact it is one of the worst examples I have ever seen.
Title: Truly bad painting
Post by: Ravenwing on January 29, 2006, 04:59:40 AM
prustage,

As you said:

".... one of the worst examples I have ever seen."  Therefor a truly bad painting!


I would be interested in knowing what you consider as: ".... clear what the artist would like this picture to be."  Contact me.... :)

Could you perhaps point me to some of the 'examples of this genre' that you are referring to?
Title: Re: Bad paintings
Post by: Mikhail Simkin on January 29, 2006, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: "prustage"
I suppose one of the simplest ways of assessing whether a painting is bad or not is whether it succeeds in being what it is trying to be. Many of the pictures in this group are quite successful at being exactly what they are - there are a few however that are clearly trying to be something and failing.

I would like to see more paintings like The Jaws, that is something idiotic, which is also funny.
Title: Ah, but
Post by: Nanny Goat on January 30, 2006, 05:33:58 PM
Prustage said:

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I suppose one of the simplest ways of assessing whether a painting is bad or not is whether it succeeds in being what it is trying to be. Many of the pictures in this group are quite successful at being exactly what they are - there are a few however that are clearly trying to be something and failing.


I'm not sure what you mean.  Can you explain further?  Often when I paint (more serious stuff than here,) I don't even know what I'm trying to say or what the painting should be.  I work on a gut, intuitive level most of the time.  The art itself is paint and canvas, or whatever, but it is not sentient, so IT can't try to be anything.  

Your way of assessing whether a painting is bad or not isn't really all that simple, because you cannot walk around in the artist's mind to know what they were trying to get across.  Everything you see, think, and feel in any art piece is filtered through your own, unique, individual perceptions.

This definition of "bad art" simply isn't one I'm familiar with.  If you could expand on your definition, it'd be appreciated.

Nanny Goat
Title: ah, but... invitation to all!!
Post by: Ravenwing on January 30, 2006, 09:36:46 PM
Nanny Goat,

Good to hear from you again!

You said:
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Your way of assessing whether a painting is bad or not isn't really all that simple, because you cannot walk around in the artist's mind to know what they were trying to get across. Everything you see, think, and feel in any art piece is filtered through your own, unique, individual perceptions.


I fully agree with you , but in this instance (Face Your Demons), prustage was also correct......

I simply started the painting because the idea of the "woman" appealed to me.  However, because I wasn't working from any reference and I'm relatively new at "this painting thing"  :wink: , I just stumbled along and worked on gut feeling.

BUT, as it developed I did want to say something - - which I'm not too sure is coming across in the painting......  What you see is a myriad of backgrounds and endless frustration.  Therefor prustage is spot on!

INVITATION TO ALL:
I would love to know what people think when they see this.... what goes through their minds.....  

Who knows, if anyone is interested, perhaps I'll "reveal all" at the end of the competition.
Title: [painting contest]comment
Post by: Anonymous on January 31, 2006, 06:00:38 PM
Good to "see" you again too!  LOL

When I first saw your picture, I thought of power, that deep, gut power a woman has.  The power she draws on if her young are threatened.  The power she draws on when facing something new and has to tap into her reserves.  

I saw that in myself when my husband became ill one time and needed emergency care, but refused to go to the hospital.  Go look at your picture, that's me ordering him to get up, get in the car, because we are GOING.  I turned into that woman!  LOL

Now, regardless of what you were trying to say, I found my own definition.

Reminds me of the time my daughter did a large painting of the crucifixion.  It was very dramatic with a lot of intrigue.  She was telling some people at work about it and they wanted to see it, so she foolishly took it in.  It made some of them kind of mad at her. I didn't think it was irreverant at all, but some saw it that way.

Anyway, in the foreground of the picture was a person, just standing there, this person among a few other people as I recall.

A lady my daughter works with didn't ask, but told my daughter, "That's Satan."  

My daughter told her, no it was just a person standing there.

The lady kept insisting it was Satan.  In fact, she wound up getting upset with my daughter because she couldn't see that it was Satan.  To heck with the fact that my daughter was the artist!   :lol:

My daughter wasn't really making a statement.  She just had this image she wanted to put on canvas.  But she left Satan out of it!  However, this woman's perceptions were very important to the woman.  So important that she got mad when my daughter wouldn't admit it was as she saw it.

Perception of the viewer is a huge thing in a piece of art.  Otherwise, it'd be really super easy to figure out what was good art and what was bad art.

Janet
Title: Your Interpretation....
Post by: Ravenwing on January 31, 2006, 10:12:13 PM
Thank You For Your Thoughts on the painting....  So, "Primal Instinct" ?
I will certainly "tell you the story" of the painting at a later stage.

Your daughter's painting:

Quote from: "Anonymous"
The lady kept insisting it was Satan.  In fact, she wound up getting upset with my daughter because she couldn't see that it was Satan.  To heck with the fact that my daughter was the artist!   :lol:


Perhaps I am terrible;  :twisted:  As long as I can provoke a reaction (regardless of whether it's good or bad), I'm happy.

If something upsets someone to that extent,  :shock:  well, perhaps it should bother them!  To me that means that they've got "issues" which they need to work out for themselves.  And if a painting makes them realise something (personal) like that and they cannot stop thinking of the painting - - A SUCCESSFUL PAINTING!!

Quote from: "Anonymous"

Perception of the viewer is a huge thing in a piece of art.  Otherwise, it'd be really super easy to figure out what was good art and what was bad art.


I've decided a long time ago NEVER to tell people beforehand what a painting is about / what I was trying to "say".  (In fact, I don't even like naming them.)  I also don't care whether someone thinks it's good or bad.....

That's why I paint - to try and intrigue an individual and make them go to their own "special place inside".  What they find there has  :!: Nothing :!:  to do with me......

 :oops:  " I am but the vessel....."  :wink:
Title: yup
Post by: Nanny Goat on January 31, 2006, 10:51:48 PM
That above that came out as "Guest" was me, Nanny Goat Fish.

Anyway, I agree with you in all you said.  I never get upset if someone is upset by something I do.  Evoking an emotion in someone spells success to me!  You can't please everyone all the time, so I do my own thing and when people react, I love it.

You know, some people get upset by my naked dolls.  I thought that was interesting.  You are right, I'm sure they had some kind of personal, unresolved issues in their own lives.

Janet
Title: yup.....
Post by: Ravenwing on February 01, 2006, 03:33:37 AM
Nanny Goat,

I knew it was you  :wink:  - I'm rather familiar with "all of you" and your work by this point....

I cannot imagine that anyone can be offended by such beautiful creations!  I really like your dolls - especially the golden one.... (an issue close to my heart).

If ever you come to South Africa (Cape Town), let me know!!
Title: The Golden Doll
Post by: Nanny Goat on February 01, 2006, 07:54:17 AM
The Gold doll is now Gold Leafed in a random pattern.  Same meaning, and I hope the same feeling.  

When things hang around too long, I eventually change them some.

My husband says he's afraid to stand still too long, I might paint him.   :lol:

I doubt I'll ever get there.  But what an exciting thought to travel so far!  I do road trips all over the USA though.

Thanks for the kind words! :)

Janet